Both have identical assay marks of Johannes Siggards 1932-1960 & also makers mark H Gr. Hugo Grun. Both were initially wax filled however most of the wax has been removed from one, while the other is still filled. The weight of the holder from which the wax has been removed is approx 210 grams (say 180 to 190 grams with all wax removed), so combined weight of the 2 without wax is approx 360 grams to 380 grams. Bases are 11.3cms square & height 17cms. Both need cleaning up but generally in nice condition.